note 1: the percentage area breakdown of the four UK countries is: England 53%, Scotland 32%, Wales 9%, and Northern Ireland 6% note 2: includes Rockall and the Shetland Islands, which are part of Scotland. 0.80 in every 100,000 people are murdered annually in China compared to 1.00 in United Kingdom. Whether you are a free-market capitalist (“right wing”) or a socialist (“left wing”), you can accept that logic. Because people are living far longer in the heavily populated south east of England, the state pension age is already due to increase to 67 by 2028 and future rises in the state pension age would remain linked to improvements in life expectancy. Growing gap between rich and poor in Scotland 28 March 2019, 15:08 The number of people living in poverty in Scotland is on the rise, according to official statistics. Scotland’s onshore economy grew by 0.7% in the year leading up to September last year, compared to 2.2% growth across the UK as a whole. There may indeed be some symmetrical positive-sum economic benefits of independence, to the extent that regional economies may be able to achieve this through careful planning and economic co-ordination – although, again, the burden would be on proponents of such arguments to come forward and defend against, or differentiate from, the unethical asymmetric arguments. The UK level of net debt as a percentage of GDP is approximately 83% ranking the UK the 181st worst nation (out of 203) in terms of how indebted our economy is. Our population is 8.4% of UK so we would inherit a lot less of the UK debt as an independent nation (8.4%) than we would have to pay back if we vote NO (9.9%) – ipso facto a no vote costs the Scottish tax payer £1.4bn+ in debt repayments. Put simply, when the UK runs a surplus Scotland contributes more to the surplus, and when the UK runs a deficit Scotland has to pay more of the debt back than it is responsible for. Also most oil companies, oil sheiks and barons are now investing in tide/wave and wind power. Over the last 19 years (using figures accepted by the No campaign) Scotland would have been in surplus by £69bn (sixty nine thousand million). (See ‘Where does Scotland’s wealth go?’) […], […] https://www.businessforscotland.com/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/ […]. But it is the right direction to move in – it decreases the number of players, and may inspire similar economic covenants to be acted upon elsewhere. But this then means, ipso facto, the disadvantaged people of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland will have less financial means to distribute and enjoy such benefits. Business and economy is at the top of the agenda ahead of the Scottish independence referendum. If after a year, the UK Government has to pay £2 in interest on that £100, then the total debt becomes £102. Scotland vs England. Though I have always felt that the EU, with its finalité unknown, serves to exemplify to the world a method of global cosmopolitanism, which might bring about a truly global public, a truly global community/polity, a unitary global public sphere, and, thus, a global system of welfare provision that can command a greater yield and distribution. Yorkshire & Humber is a decent comparison. GETTY 'Public spending in Scotland is higher than the rest of the UK', says David Mundell . […] image comes from the Business For Scotland […]. You need someone with the ability for overview and objective insight to be finding the solutions. The longer term plan is with the Yes side and the Scottish government and the failure to plan and therefore the plan to fail is with a No vote and the distant disinterested Westminster government. The first graphic is misleading from a Cornish petspective. The solution, from London’s point of view, is to squeeze even more out of the existing supply of income, but in the end, pushing the mercantilist system to the max is self-defeating, since either insurrection (political or military) or widespread ill-health (both economic and physical) will result – possibly even both. Thanks to Bytemark for donating our web hosting, and Alamy for providing stock photos. That it is not is indicative of the democratic deficit that exists in modern Scotland. The Glasgow effect refers to the low life expectancy and poor health of residents of Glasgow, Scotland, compared to the rest of the United Kingdom and Europe. So yes the Scottish government has been very competent on issue such as tuition fees and Council Tax but with full economic powers and Scotland’s extra tax revenue available to the Scottish people we could do so much more, almost regardless of what political party was in charge. ... Outside of London and the South East of England, Scotland is recognised internationally as the most important financial centre in the UK. But clearly that’s only if you live outside Scotland and particularly if you are from the South of England! We have the same problems in Cornwall, and the divide goes from east to west, as well as south to north. I am desperate to change my spending to help the Scottish economy. im sure in start it will be difficult if Scots get independence but in the long run will be happier than this monarchy, Very interesting, can you shed some light on this question that I have been asking both sides and never been given an answer. […] issues, or “Mohammed Al-Sparkeh” for Pakistan?) Other factors drive corporate HQ locations. Smaller independent countries’ COVID-19 economic... Brexit has cost Scotland £5.4bn of EU funding for... Poke, Poke, Poke… | A Wilderness of Peace, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_England, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland, Westminster warnings on housing market are too little too late - Gray in Glasgow News/Politics/Conetroversy, Three reasons why I am voting Yes | whyiamvotingyes, https://www.businessforscotland.com/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/. Oil will eventually run out the question is what plans do westminster have to reinvest in Scotland and in particular the North East to get us ready for that time? So, there will be x jobs less in rUK, and x jobs more in iScot; and there will be y less tax revenue in rUK, and y more in iScot. If the yes vote wins I will look at what’s on offer as a government by all parties and give my X accordingly , and i will know my destiny and my family’s future will be looked after by a government that we voted for and not another government in another country. Where does Scotland’s wealth go? I am also interested in Armed forces pension after independence. They would have a large clientele ready and waiting. If the latter figure is correct, maybe Diageo’s HQ should remain in a global centre of commerce – one with world-class marketing and advertising expertise – rather than move to a Scottish city. It could quite easily operate from Edinburgh (e.g. The latest figures taken from the Government Expenditure and Revenue Report Scotland (GERS) state that Scotland generated £800 more in … As an ex member of HM Forces I’m due a full pension at some point and I’m in receipt of a war pension just now. We’d be represented better as an independent nation. Interactive Investor says Scotch sales account for only 29% of Diageo’s revenues (http://ow.ly/shAhl ). I urge that these ethical concerns should be taken seriously by even the most patriotic or nationalist sentiments, because the referendum – as part of the continuous (re-)evolution of Scotland and Scottish identity – threatens to defame the Scottish people with hubris and greed. Throughout the history of th Union the heavily populated London and home counties have decided who rules and governs the UK. What could we achieve then? Why life expectancy gap between rich and poor in UK is growing. YES for Scotland! This report is utterly ridiculous! He draws his Military pension there. An increasing proportion of the Scottish government’s budget also comes from taxes it raises. http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf, “it is hard to see any conclusion other than Jareth, a word to the wise, engage brain before, typing comment, otherwise you’re liable to make yourself look stupid!! This regime change has meant that top- and higher-rate earners in Scotland now pay more than elsewhere in the UK. Let’s have all the figures and see what the reel picture looks like. Vote Yes scotland for a better tomorrow for everyone! BTW guys, corporate headquarters and production are not generally co-located … that was the 1800s! Since the Acts of Union 1707, Scotland's economy has been closely aligned with the economy of the rest of the United Kingdom (UK) and England has historically been its main trading partner. SEEMPLES**. Just that our voice is barely heard since its via Westminster. Why have so many people concentrated on the blue map the last one points out that Scots die younger and there is a statistically proven link between life expectancy and wealth distribution. Get real. Deficit-to-GDP ratio of EU countries. It’s BLOODY COLD in Scotland! The financial sector makes a positive contribution to Scotland’s economy as a whole. Copyright © Business for Scotland 2018. Now you know why England wants Scotland to stay in the UK. I know numerous people who go on and on about how not voting yes is somehow backstabbing our country, when simply, they’re spouting random facts that are pumped out that all seem like they’ve sat down, watched Braveheart and went “to hell with this”. Why I am voting Yes these days | We'll never be fooled again! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20042070, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-22224015, And also former Scotland office economist Gavin McCrone in his now infamous report: Seriously, a great article – but in a situation where the the London media, Westminster and the Union Jocks are now in full anti-independence Rottweiler mode and determined by fair means or foul to do our country down, those hard facts will never be mainstreamed. That’s a very serious amount of wealth that Scotland loses due to the UK’s lack of a sensible industrial strategy and political dogma. Healthcare. These are the 20 highest paid jobs in the UK in 2020 - how does your wage compare? Figure 1 shows the association between central government debt (expressed as a share of GDP) and long-term interest rates for OECD countries in 2012. Gordon, the attached shows a better regional breakdown, though nothing graphical about, dry numbers. That’s fine, Jareth; show your working now. Born and brought up in England, I moved to Scotland to work in 1966, moving back in 1996, largely on health grounds. This particular map does not prove that. One of the most important things to know before going to any country is what their cultural and social norms are. To get started, select two countries below, and hit "Go! When I was nursing in paediatrics I remember consultants talking about the increased cases in childhood leukemia and its relation to trident. Here’s my quick attempt at calculating the effective APRs for Scotland and rUK. The council areas with the highest life expectancy for females were East Renfrewshire and East Dunbartonshire where a baby girl could expect to live for 83.5 years. if the Scottish government is the seat of power for those industries then they will want to be close to the seat of power – and maybe a 3% corporation tax cut will encourage then (to pay it as well as locate here). To argue so would contradict a central premise in my argument: that the existence of many independent nation-states generates the conditions in which public authorities compete against each other in an aggressive market place, which leads to a “race to the bottom”; and so business entities, which are not constrained by territorial boundaries, can hold governments to hostage insofar as governments make more and more concessions to business entities to attract them to their shores, which, in turn, reduces the overall yield, globally speaking, of capital/resources that exist in public spheres. Hey there! (Revised Comment, £64 billion in UK spending). Now look again at the first map and ask yourself, “why doesn’t Scotland’s wealth stay in Scotland”? That doesn’t compute! And so do the other party leaders, who, in a direct(and calculated)way use this not by shouting, but by whispering “that’s who you’re stuck with”. Its an excellent illustration those voters left in any doubt as to whether Scotland is getting a fair deal from the Union. The UK government would no longer pay pension for these individuals. […]. Well said Kevin! (Though ironically, in the BLAZING summer of 1976, tarmac melted on Glasgow roads; and in 1984-5, I left Glasgow with a thin frost and, by coach, reached my Barcelona destination amid 3 feet of snow). That’s estimating the value of all goods and services produced in Scotland, excluding North Sea oil and gas, and comparing it with the growth rate of the UK as a whole, including North Sea oil and gas. Oh and social spending in Scotland is a lower % of GDP than it is in England – go figure – but the best way to get the benefits bill is to grow the economy using the economic levers independence would bring and get people off benefits and back to work in a faster growing economy. According to PWC £340bn of Gov revenue has already come from the North sea but that theres is £450bn still to come. Your views would then carry more weight (IMHO). Interesting article and one that proves scotland can be independent and I thoroughly support it! However, for example, this does not include the assets of the Ministry of Defence. This is accomplished through its direct economic impact from financial services and also its employment. I would be amazed! Brilliant research and very well written piece, telling the truth about why Westminster is trying it’s hardest to persuade us to vote “No” on Sept 18th. A small village of digs for workers was built near Port Avadie on the west coast where they were to tap a load of oil. This is exactly what the south east is doing to the rest of the country now! Scotland itself is clearly weaker, less safe, poorer, and less fair as part of the Union. Figure 1: Central Government Debt and Long-Term Interest Rates 2012. In 1992, aged 52 (not far below the 59 years mentioned), I suffered a two-year paralytic stroke. Similar to the question above, your pension is a contract between you, as an individual, and HM Armed Forces. On the basis of GDP per capita, the UK is the 20 th-richest country in the world (using market exchange rates), or the 27th th-richest using PPP. Hope you’ll consider adjusting your article or finding a better map for your aims. I agree Gordon, It becomes more and more difficult to see the integrity of No Camp arguments in relation to issues around borders. We ( the yes supporters ) need to stand up and be counted and shout this from the rooftops. We have renewed our commitment to ... compared to 28.4 in 1975. Yet it is the ignorance of those South of the border who believe that Scotland is a leech that ironically would swing the vote in our favour. When you signed up and served, your contract was made with the Westminster government, no-one else, they will continue to pay your pension. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0043/00434502.pdf, I have also asked Rachel Holmes, A financial expert who contributes articles for Business and who has discussed pensions to provide her understanding (my question is in the comments). You lot had your chance to leave the Uk and you didn’t so sit back stop moaning and get on with it! One thing that has been a constant throughout history is that if a product is in demand and it becomes scarce, it’s price will rocket. No Scotland is not a poor country. Currently Scotland due to the decline in oil revenue is around ten billion sterling in the red although it had been in surplus prior to the oil price decline. Scotland’s shortfall relative to its population is £6.6bn. First of all in economic conditions such as have been experienced since the global finance crises began almost every major industrialised nation has run a deficit – even Germany! Why do you think the DWP is desperately trying to conceal the figures for deaths due to benefits sanctions? I find it interesting that with all the engineering and offshore expertise in Aberdeen, the Scottish government decided that Glasgow should be the center of excellence for renewables. 1.30 in every 100,000 people are murdered annually in Portugal compared to 1.00 in United Kingdom. It leaves our nation’s families comparatively poorer despite the fact that we generate more tax revenue per head that the rest of the UK. In some areas in Scotland more than 1 in 3 children grow up in poverty (1 in 5 across the nation as a whole). They all use bluster and bull to hide the true facts. Your comments here are misleading and inaccurate. Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Clearly any Rump UK ‘barriers’ trade or otherwise would hurt all parties concerned. Where are these jobs and where is this capital – oil or business – now? image caption Scotland was slightly ahead of England in reading and maths and a little behind in science when the tests were last done in 2013 One reason you can be in favour of independence because of consequential economic benefits. His coordination is about more efficient use of the various companies, equipment, in order that as a whole the oil companies will be more financially efficient. The country you live in has absolutely no bearing on your pension. But how rich is it, really? The Kilmarnock plant of Johnny Walker produced close to £1Bn in duty in its final year (despite being dreadfully inefficient). I want my money to go into Scotland ‘s economy. Go further, discover our cultural survey tool, the Culture Compass™ or join our open programme Introduction to Cross-Cultural Management. Would Mr Scotland be better off getting his own credit card? The White Paper is optimistic on this point. The current Westminster system leaves many Scots children in poverty and growing up in a culture of hopelessness. New technologies also allow you extract from ever tougher environments. The right wing ideology would celebrate the purported influx of corporate capital, and the jobs that would come with it. Hi Chas, Would independence mean that a greater than current percentage of GDP would be spent on benefits and the NHS. out of the four countries in the UK, Scotland is second wealthiest. Our deficit is a smaller % of GDP 5% than the UK’s 7% so we would be able to pay back our debts earlier if we chose to do so as an independent nation. Scotland ran a deficit and was propped up by the UK exchequer. Here is the lesson of history: the French Revolution, the October Revolution and Iraq all show the same processes at work. Your first map doesn’t show wealth distribution across the UK, it only shows porportion of millionaires in each region. Don’t forget Gordon that due to decades of underinvestment in Scottish industry, the low level of R&D support compared to our competitors and Westminster’s appalling laissez faire approach to company ownership, enormous chunks of wealth generated in Scotland are remitted overseas on an annual basis. whether you are, what is colloquially referred to as, “left wing” or “right wing”. happening to Scotlands revenue. There was a very slight increase for males in England but decreases for males in Northern Ireland and males and females in Wales similar to those seen in Scotland. That tax all looks like London money, where in reality it was all Scottish. We need to be mindful of issues such as these, when we look to effect social change. For example, solar cost $72 per watt in 1972, yet it’s only $1 today. Personally I think this is evidence that no matter who is in charge, they will always pander to the most populated area. The United Kingdom is rich with history and has the perfect balance of lush, green countryside and modern metropolitan, trendsetting cities. The current workforce pays for the state pension paid to pensioners. By now it should be clear that England is really, really big compared to the other UK nations. | Just S... http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/investors/share-information/ownership-statistics.html, http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=30832&sID=3365, https://www.businessforscotland.com/pensions-advantage-for-an-independent-scotland/#comment-19462, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20042070, http://www.oilofscotland.org/mccronereport.pdf, https://www.businessforscotland.com/how-scotlands-economy-went-south/. Click to enlarge It's a simple question but not one often asked, probably as most economics bloggers like myself get bogged down in numbers and over complicate the issue. Contrast all this with the EU, which has always aimed towards pooling players to bring about mutual economic success. However, when you compare the map of where the wealth ends up with a map of where the UK’s wealth is generated, they don’t tell the same story. The Scottish Gov plans to reinvest the oil monies in Scotland and not in subsidising the failing UK economy. Note:  There are only three small areas of the UK where the average person is expected to live over 82 years(dark green on the map), they are Kensington, Westminster and Chelsea. The rocks of Scotland have formed over a time span of billions of years, with a series of different plate tectonic events over time resulting in a wide variety of rock types. “Think global act local”. Yet even the EU may end up betraying its own principles by threatening to become a settled, territorially limited polity that perpetuates the race to the bottom, albeit at a larger scale. Norway which provides a good benchmark for Scotland as an independent country is currently the lest indebted nation in the worked with debts as a net % of GDP at at amazing -165.508%. If these propositions are correct, then what is good about them? Chevron, Total S.A., ConocoPhillips, Maersk Oil….). It may not be a straight-forward zero-sum formula, as implied above. Brilliant article, Gordon. Remember Diageo’s vodka production for the UK is also in Scotland. Either way, it makes no difference to the effective rate of interest being charged. The reason Edinburgh is the secondary financial hub in the UK, is because companies can have a highly skilled and educated workforce in Edinburgh and pay them less!!!! Scotland leaving the UK is not the answer. I don’t know if it’sthe done thing to be the first to comment on your own comment, but here goes… We look at costs and other details of President Trump’s visit to the UK. Why should we continue to support the union that leaves us in poverty and ill health, and distributes our wealth to the richest? An initial reaction might be that we’re being ripped off, but anyone who is a high earner and pays a lot of tax could easily come to a similar conclusion. Ah but the NHS would be safe – well no. One example of this is evident in the latest release on Scotland’s Gross domestic product (GDP), which shows that Scotland produced £130bn onshore in the … You say ‘Diageo generates 60% of its profits from Whisky’. It might even be able to claim credit for the higher levels of charitable giving seen in Scotland; rich and poor alike are happy to fork out their well-earned cash to help others. Congratulations on this piece. Of course the Unionist press are not going to publish articles and info like this. Wake up the UK does all the things you hate and more, if you believe what you wrote and it is not nothing more than sophistry, vote yes… You know it makes sense! etc. Indeed, last year, the charity director of Age UK, Michelle Mitchell said: “We would not support an automatic increase linked to average life expectancy as there are huge disparities in life expectancy across the country and between different groups.”. Scotland would have been £8.3 billion better off than the UK over the past 5 years. It seems the No campaign will, in the absence of any legitimate or factually sound argument, resort to scaremongering and sowing seeds of doubt with nothing to substantiate or corroborate their claims. We are a very patriotic nation, why are we holding on to a dream of a United Kingdom, we are not united in Westminster and this is where it matters, I only feel sorry for the north of England who I consider our good neighbours being left in an England that is also failing them.. Yvonne. I am very impressed with the the way you answered many questions people will regarding the effects of an Independent Scotland. I believe that many Scots are not sure of the facts and this information may arouse their desire to know more. it’s your pension no matter where you live. For example, more than 12% of jobs in Reading and Milton Keynes are in high-income senior management roles, which pay an average £915 per week in the UK. 6.20 in every 100,000 people are murdered annually in Zambia compared to 1.00 in United Kingdom. You deserve better. The capital city of England is London. It can be factually demonstrated that several generations of “UK economic mismanagement has ultimately undermined the Scottish economy.”. It sounds as though we are being charged a higher effective rate of interest than the rest of the UK, purely because of our higher per capita GDP. The SNP know that. Scotland would be nowhere without the rest of the UK that is a fact! If assets and liabilities are split, then there is a chance the military pension liabilities would be inherited by the Scottish government – as they themselves have said in their independence document. 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